Into the Woods

             No Camping Sign            ”Let’s go camping!” I used to love hearing that phrase,love the outdoors. But if you came here thinking you’ve found the newest blog on tent popping -so sorry. Just a little word play in the title,an abbreviated form of Harold CAMPING and his Depart OUT doctrine. But we do feel Mr. Camping is lost in the “woods” called Allegorical Wonderland with his entourage, known here and elsewhere as Campingites, and need a light of truth to navigate out of that Black Forest. But first a little aside-for those ready to accuse us of a verbal personal assault on  Mr. Camping and those who embrace his teachings,please read our About page.  Other sites,because it either didn’t fit their format or couldn’t stomach the heated  debate a lightning rod topic such as this generates, have relent.”If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen”(Harry S Truman)-and so they did.

     A little backround for the uninformed.Harold Camping comes from a Dutch Reformed backround and  was in the construction industry(owner of Camping Construction) before co-founding  Family Stations, Inc. in 1958,a non-profit world-wide radio ministry better known as  Family Radio.He’s president/general manager and has devoted himself to full-time unpaid ministry after leaving his business some years ago and has hosted a call-in program “Open Forum” since 1961(you do have to admire the dedication). And it is this program which has become his primary “soap box” to spew abberrent teachings. To be fair, there was a time when Mr. Camping fell within the pale of orthodoxy,in Reformed school of thought, but began to stray off the reservation with his hyper-allegorical method of interpreting Scripture-with a dash of numerology thrown in. This method is purely subjective, given to the whims and mood of what one may “see” in a passage at the moment, and only limited to ones imagination. It is this very method that has produced his “The church age has ended”-(aka-”Depart Out Doctrine”-that one should leave his/her church because God is essentially through with the church ,circa 1988) , his previous book  ”1994?”(that Christ would return in the fall of 1994) and current “Time Has an End”-his “magnum opus”,if you will,with revised calculations now pointing to a 2011 return of our Lord (in the fall,of course). (Where’s Mr. Rodger’s when you need’em-” Can you say False Prophet?!”). In fairness-as in 1994? Mr. Camping gives himself some wiggle room in this statement:

In parallel fashion, God is warning the world that, in all likelihood, in the year 2011, the whole world will be destroyed. …………. Having said all of the above, the end-time dates presented in this study are not being offered as absolute fact. They are being offered based upon our present knowledge of Biblical truth. Continued study of the Bible may result in correction being made at some future time if any errors have been made. We must never forget that the Bible is given not only to teach us doctrine but also to make correction in whatever doctrine we hold. Wherever we have correctly understood the Bible, however, the resulting date absolutely will be correct.  (From Time Has an End- H.Camping).
     
      OK-we have” in all likelihood “,” based upon our present knowledge of Biblical truth”  - should insert “ever changing” between “present” and “knowledge”. But wait!” STOP THE PRESSES!” Drum Roll,Please! Harold has just come out with a new book! A grand summation it seems of  his last five bodies of work,entitled-
We Are Almost There!” . You have The End of the Church Age..and After,  The Fig Tree , The Wheat and the Tares, I Hope God Will Save Me (ah..He will,just repent) and Time Has an End -all rolled into a tight little egg roll,so to speak, for easy consumption. And now, he’s finally done it with this cherry,from very beginning of his new work:

WITH NO APOLOGIES, IT IS THE INTENT OF THIS BOOK TO WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE ABUNDANT BIBLICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE END OF THE WORLD IS ALMOST HERE. THE END OF THE WORLD IS THAT AWESOME AND TERRIBLE MOMENT WHEN JESUS CHRIST, THE SUPREME RULER OF MANKIND, WILL COMPLETE THE JUDGMENT PROCESS THAT BEGAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN WHEN ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD. (From We Are Almost There!-italics added).

 He’s done it! He’s boxed himself in,painted himself into the proverbial corner!-the end of the world is almost here…. for  him being 2011. Mr. Camping,it seems , has no where to go after this one-if, Lord willing, he out lives this “prophecy”( as of this writing he’s 86 years old).

        To make this short -(and leaving the Church and annihilation for another post)- again ,Mr. Camping is lost in the deep, dark forest off the beaten path forging ahead on his own to oblivion. It would do well those who tag along behind him to take heed to the following verses:

But of that day and hour no one knows, no,not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only” -Matt.24:36(NKJV)

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor hour in which the Son of Man is coming” Matt. 25:13(NKJV)

“And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many,will come in my name, saying’I am He’, and, ‘ The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them.”  Luke 21:8 (Bold added,NKJV)

For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.” 2Corinthians 11:19,20(KJV)

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” 2Corinthians 11:13-15(KJV)

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2Thess 2:3,4(KJV)

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13,14(KJV)

A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him? The labour of the foolish wearieth every one of them, because he knoweth not how to go to the city.” Ecclesiastes 10:14,15(KJV)  

The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.” Proverbs 14:15(KJV)

                          And with this I’ll end-BE A BEREAN!!    “And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.” Colossians 2:4

39 Responses to “Into the Woods”

  1. JimB Says:

    I feel sorry for Harold Camping, but more sorry for his followers. I was in a cult in the 1980s that followed Harold Camping, and God got me out of it. This cult went to Arizona and formed a communed in 1988 to wait for the end of the world in 1994. Whoever now is following Harold’s new heresies of the world ending in 2011, Annihilation, and all churches are of Satan, is sadly following the Devil. I know the mindset of a CAMPINGITE, because I used to be one. This is not the Christian Life.
    God Bless,
    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  2. JimB Says:

    Harold Camping is a false prophet who said the world will end in 1994, and was wrong, and he is a false prophet again by saying their will be a rapture of the Campingites on May 21, 2011, and for 5 months all of the unsaved “church” people will be tormented. On the contrary, all of the Campingites will be confused for those 5 months. On May 22, 2011, Harold Camping (if he is still alive) will say that he was wrong about the rapture, but the world will still end on Oct 21, 2011. So for 5 months, all of the Campingites will be the ones confused and tormented and hope that their CULT LEADER HAROLD CAMPING was correct about all of his heresies about the churches and the world ending on Oct 21, 2011. When Oct 22, 2011 comes, all of the brainwashed Campingites will be totally distraught, and will probably leave God altogether. This is the work of SATAN. I already saw this happen with the CULT group I was in that followed Harold Camping in the 1980s and early 1990s and they thought the world will end in 1994. Most of the cult members were so totally confused and hurt, that they left God altogether, and do no talk about God anymore. This is the work of the DEVIL
    Harold Camping is a minister of Satan. He now aligns doctrinally very close to the Jehovah’s Witnesses who set a lot of dates for the end of the world, and also believe all Christian churches are of the Devil. Let me repeat myself with Love and Compassion for any follower of Harold Egbert Camping of Family Radio. Harold Camping is doing the work of Satan, and if you follow him, you are being decevied by the Devil and will be very confused and severely hurt when you leave your church and when the world does NOT end in 2011.
    God Bless You and open all of our eyes.
    Jim B.
    Feel Free to email me,
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  3. senecus Says:

    Yes , Jim , it is sad that a man who began so humbly has now leaped off the cliff in an attempt to do what others have tried and failed , that is , time and date our Lord’s return and consummation of history. As you point out ,the Jehovah’s Witnesses being one of the more illustrious examples-and I’ll add some in the dispensational circle aren’t far behind in this area. Saddest part of all is the human and spiritual wreckage this will leave in its wake when 2011 passes by uneventfully.

  4. johannes coetzee Says:

    We listen to family radio via AM and Short Wave every night.

    Even my friends in there little mud houses can tune in..

    To God be the glory.

    21 May 2011 is the beginning of the last day… up unto 21 October 2011

    May God have mercy on each one of us!

    johannes coetzee

    Family Radio listener (South Africa)

    • tod Says:

      JOHN u r an idiot

      that date is very wrong :(

    • tod Says:

      also john coetzee if u go the church on that very date year u will b decepted with the devil and you will b tricked cuz i don’t care if u go there beats me but if i were u i would not go there and be raptured.

  5. senecus Says:

    Hello Johannes-while it is encouraging that that those who live in “little mud houses” in South Africa can receive radio signal(like the antennas-aeriels, and dishes I’ve seen on Mongolian yurts) not everything traveling over those airwaves is gospel truth-or like Mr. Camping used to say it is “another Gospel”. Which is where we see Mr. Camping at now-espousing another gospel(end -of-church-age,annihilation,”hope”? you are saved,again-date setting end of world) which will leave another trail of disillusioned,angry and some-lost-followers when 2011 passes by. Yes,may God have mercy! Be a Berean!

  6. JimB Says:

    Johannes,
    Unfortunately Mr Camping was wrong about the world ending in 1994, and he is wrong again about the world ending in 2011. Both dates are built upon the wrong foundation of his 13000 year old earth. The earth is about 6000 years old, and Geneisis 5 and 11 stands just as it reads. Mr Caming is a dangerous Cult Leader. I was in a cult formed by Mr. Camping’s teachings in the 1980s that believed the world will end in 1994. I used to believe all churches were apostate, this is a deception from the pit of hell. A church is anywhere believer gather together, as long as there are believers in the world, there are true churches. Listening to Mr Camping everyday is like being on drugs, you will get addicted, and will believe everything he teaches. You are being brain washed like I used to be, but God got me out of it. Thousands of people will be disillusioned after 2011 passes just as in 1994. May God open your eyes and grant you the peace and truth of the simple Gospel of Christ.
    God Bless,
    Jim B

    Feel free to email me and I will discuss this more,
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  7. lisa crowder Says:

    Help!! My x-husband is Very Much into Camping and LOVES to be called a ‘Campinite”! The problem is…my x has visitation rites to see our 3 year old twins and is teaching them that i have been “marked of the beast “because i still go to church.He is trying to make them believe they hate me,and i am wicked and evil.I need some help.He is tring to get them away from me and more with him.I can’t afford a lawyer.I need some VERY SERIOUS HELP ASAP!!!! Will some one PLEASE tell me what i can do and how to do it.Childrens lives are at stake!

  8. senecus Says:

    Hello Lisa-your situation is one of many I’ve heard of regarding Camping’s cult-like hold on an individual. This is very sad. And to use ones children as pawns sadder. Though I’m not an attorney and don’t have any “legal” training-I do know from past experiences of others there are legal avenues you can follow,often free to low income families(think legal aid societies). Don’t know what state you live in but I would seek counsel through one of these agencies or family courts. Our hearts are with you-and I know relating that doesn’t solve your problem,but be encouraged there are others out here who have known similar situations (cult dealings) and (I know ,cliche’) will be praying for you ,your children AND exhusband. Feel free to comment,update at any time-peace and rest….

  9. JimB Says:

    Lisa,
    Unfortunately Mr Camping gets a strong hold on people and without the grace of God there is not much you can do. Show you children the love of Christ in your life and explain to them that their Dad is following a bad teacher. I have been in a cult following Harold Camping, and when I disagreed with them I was condemnied to Hell. God set me free but my brother and friends waited for the world to end in 1994, and were disallusioned and confused when it did not happen. I will pray for you. Feel free to email me if you need any further help.
    God Bless,
    Jim B
    jimbbbbbb@gmail.com

  10. Jim B Says:

    Hi Senecus,
    Hope all is wll with you, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and family.
    Jim B.

  11. Augustine Says:

    Let’s not generalize here. Since when is agreeing with another believer “following” them? If someone agrees with you over the Bible, have you started a “following”? How do you get them to stop “following” you? Not everyone that agrees with Camping formed a cultish commune in 1994. More grounded and sensible people didn’t. Camping emphatically states that any behavior or action of that kind is ludicrous and he advises people to continue a sensible routine in their lives. So how do you blame him for the ridiculous actions of others? It seems people are taking out their frustrations on Camping. It’s time to pray for wisdom and understanding, not be embraced by churches that preach man-made Gospels that differ greatly from anything Christ ever preached, and are only interested in staying in “business”. Satan truly is ruling in every earthly church today, and it is far past time to obey God and pray for his mercy.

  12. Jim B Says:

    Satan is ruling in Family Radio through Harold Camping. He predicted the world will end in 1994 and was wrong, and he is wrong againg about 2011. He now teaches the heresy of Annihilation like the Jehovah’s Witness, when the Bible is clear there is a Judgement Day on the Last Day where the Devil and all believer’s are eternally punished. All churches are NOT apostate, we are NOT in the final tribulation. Harold Camping is a false teacher, a false prophet, and a cult leader who will lead you down the path of destruction and confusion. When people fellowship and worship in Churches they are not trusting in their Church, they are obeying God and worshipping in the Biblical way set up by the New Testament. When you sit home by yourself and listen to Family Radio, you are disobeying God. In a few years the year 2011 will pass, and Mr Camping will die, and where will all the people who follow him be? They believe all Churches are apostate, so most will leave the faith and be devestated.
    God Bless you and open your eyes.
    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  13. Jim B Says:

    Typo Correction: the Devil and all unbelievers are eternally punished.
    Jim B.

  14. Augustine Says:

    It is deceptive to say Camping “predicted” the end in 1994 while omitting that he said it was a great possibility that 1994 was the end. He was not certain, hence the question mark after the title “1994?”.

    Moving to a cultish seperatist commune rather than follow God’s command to occupy, proclaim the Gospel, and sound the warning until He comes would be disobeying God and going against Camping’s advice. I can see why the few who took it upon themselves to such ridiculous and rebellious behavior would be bitter now. Those are the people who have proven that their judgment cannot be trusted.

    Again, since when is agreeing with a fellow believer “following” them? People are not only followers or leaders. The world is a scary place for people who think that way and they find themselves craving constant leadership. These people are very prone to join cults or put all their faith in churches rather than God. They want men to lead them, not God.

    Only God can open anyone’s spiritual eyes. I come not to argue, but only to sound the warning. God is bringing this world to an end in 2011, and everyone would be wise to pray for mercy and understanding in the Word.

  15. MallMaven Says:

    His eyes look like a snakes!

  16. Jim B Says:

    NO ONE KNOW THE EXACT DAY THE LORD WILL RETURN. WE CAN DIE AT ANY MOMENT AND MUST ALWAYS BE READY TO MEET THE LORD, AND NOT WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO FIND THE EXACT DATE. WE COULD KNOW WHEN HE IS CLOSE BECAUSE HE SAYS TO WATCH FOR CERTAIN THINGS, LIKE THE GOSPEL IN ALL NATIONS, ETC.

    Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

    Since November 2007 Harold Camping started teaching the heresy of Annihilation like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Bible is clear there is a Judgement Day where all wIll appear before the Lord, and will be judged and forever be punished NOT annihilated or burned up…………

    Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left……

    41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the EVERLASTING FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels………

    46 And these will go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Mark 9:42 “But whoever (HAROLD CAMPING) causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall NEVER be quenched— 44 where
    Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’
    45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’
    47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where ‘ Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’

    If you listen to Harold Camping, do you believe in his new heresy of AnnihilatioN? Mr. Camping condemned the churches for decades for not teaching enough Hell, and now he teaches annihilation !!! God is blinding him, not giving him new truth.

    Listen my friends, I am not just blasting Camping because it fun, I am trying to warn you not to deceived like I was at one time. Mr Camping will die soon, and the world will not end in 2011, then where will you be?

    God Bless,
    Jim B.
    Feel free to email me,
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  17. Augustine Says:

    We cannot change the Word of God to say no one CAN know the day of Christ’s return.

    The timing of Camping’s life and death has no bearing on anyone’s relationship with God and their salvation.

    We were created to be immortal. Eternal punishment is to have that immortality taken away. That’s why the reward is called “eternal life” and it is why God tells us do not fear who can destroy the body, but fear Him who can DESTROY both body and soul in hell. Is our body destroyed in a spiritual hell? No, Our body is destroyed in physical death. This passage says that the same condition that destroys our body also destroys our soul. Therefore, hell is death…and it is certainly an eternal condition.

  18. Jim B. Says:

    MARK 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’

    45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where ‘ Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’

    47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where ‘ Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.

    REVELATION 14:If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

    Mr. Camping would say how does this go on forever if there is day and night. There is no day or night in heaven according to Rev 21,22, but God is saying there is day and night in hell. There was evening and morning in Genesis 1, before the sun and moon were created. So there is some type of day and night in Hell. either way it says FOREVER AND EVER, how do you get around that? Mr Camping does not even believe in Judgement Day anymore, he is deceived, and doing the work of the Devil. Mr Camping does not even believe that the Devil receives any punishment !!!!!!!!!

    The Devil and Hitler, and all unbelievers just simply don’t exist anymore!!!!!
    This is a heresy from the Pit of HELL!!!!
    Mr Camping is under the delusion of SATAN!!!
    Anyone following him is following a cult leader that will lead you down the path of destructiion and confusion. Mr. Camping thinks he is the only one with the truth and the rest of the Christian world for 2000 years is wrong!!!!! He now agress with the Jehovahs Witnesses, on Annihilation, setting dates, and all churches are apostate!!!!!!!!!

    My beloved friends flee from Mr Campings teaching and find the truth.

    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  19. Jim B. Says:

    Revelation 20:The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    what does tormented day and night forever and ever mean?

    Mr Camping twists scripture, the Bible warns against this:

    2 Peter 3:16 ……untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
    17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

    2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

  20. Augustine Says:

    Hell is death. It is the condition of being dead forever and ever. Jesus spoke in parables. Fire is destruction. In Jesus’ day, furnaces were used to destroy things; huge furnaces that burned continuously and whose fire was not quenched. When unbelievers are destroyed, it is permanent, it is forever and ever. He used the parable of fire many times to indicate the unsaved being destroyed. When something is burned up, it is destroyed forever. Otherwise, they are not destroyed at all and have kept their eternal life. That is contrary to God’s Word. When pronouncing man’s punishment, God said, “from dust you came, and unto dust you shall return”. Not, “Hey Adam, you can keep your eternal soul but I’ll make sure you are tortured for eternity”. The Bible also quite clearly describes unsaved man as spiritually dead and compares our soul to a rotting corspe.

    Some may rebel against God’s Word by attacking Camping and others who believe the Bible, but that is fatally unwise and will lead to the very destruction the Bible warns about.

    There certainly are false prophets and false teachers among us with destructive heresies. You can’t enter a single church establishment without finding one running the place. God has called us loudly and clearly to stay away from them.

  21. JimB Says:

    Harold Camping is a false prophet. He predicted the world will end in 1994 and was wrong. He is predicting that the world will end in 2011 and is wrong again. Harold Camping is a false teacher that teaches the heresy of Annihilation like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Harold Camping teaches there is no Judgement Day and there is no Hell. The Bile is very clear that every idle word will be accounted for and that every knee shall bow to Christ. Harold Camping teaches that even the Devil does not get any punishment, but is burnt up on the last Day. These are heresies from the Pit of Hell and Satan.

    Luke 16:
    19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
    20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
    21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
    22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
    25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
    26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
    27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
    28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
    29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
    30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
    31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    Matthew12:36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

    Rev 20:
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Rev20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

  22. Augustine Says:

    You have to wonder why people attack a Bible teacher with false accusations in order to discredit his message. Harold Camping did not “predict” the end in 1994. He stated according to the available evidence, it was highly likely, but not certain that 1994 was the end. This was, and always has been, crystal clear, and it is still verifialbe by simply looking at the book which was incidently, written with a question mark to emphasize the uncertainty.

    To say otherwise is a deliberate deception. Why? Satan is the father of lies, so beware when people are using lies to sway your opinion. Christ said liars are of their father, the devil. Beware even more when Scripture is intermingled with lies, for this is exactly how Satan operates.

    For decades, Camping has been held in very high regard by thousands of pastors, preachers, church elders, and teachers. It was only when He taught God’s Word about the end of the church age, the nature of hell, and the details of the end that those same pastors began to malign him. This is only because God’s true Word is bad for their business and Camping refuses to compromise when it comes to the Bible.

    God has raised a tremendous organization in Family Radio that reaches around the world with the true Gospel. By contrast, churches offer entertainment, compromise, watered-down gospels, and all manner of apostasy. As Christ said, it has become a den of thieves. Do not attend a church unless you want to worship the father of lies who comes as an angel of light (messenger of truth). Follow the example of Jonah who believed and obeyed God when he was told the day of the end. Follow the example of the Ninevites who had every reason to laugh at a foreigner coming with a doomsday message, but instead obeyed God.

    Above all, read your Bible and pray for the mercies of wisdom and understanding.

  23. JimB Says:

    I know how you think, Augustine, I used to think Mr Camping has the “true gospel”, and everything that disagreed was a false gospel. This is a deception. Mr Camping is a very smart man and speaks with authority, and has a lot of mental Bible knowledge. But the simple gospel is that anyone who has Christ as their savior, and has the Holy Spirit in them is a Christian. If a church believes that Christ is the only way of salvation, not of any works or rituals, and the Bible is the word of God, this is a church of Jesus Christ, even though no church or teacher is perfect. The churches had problems starting in the first century, read Revelation 2 and 3.
    Here are the facts:

    Mr Camping predicted there was a 99.9% chance the world would end in 1994, and many of his followers were 100% convinced. Someone commited suicide in 1994 in New Jersey because of his prediction. Some sold their houses and everything and gave it to Family Radio, and had nothing after the failed prophecy. Mr Camping does not say to do this, but does not say NOT to do this. Mr. Camping did not apologize to admit he was wrong about 1994.

    The world will NOT end in 2011. Jesus Christ is very clear that know one knows the exact day and hour. We can know we are close, as things unfold, but not the exact day and hour. So when someone pinpoints the exact day, you know it is incorrect.

    Mr Camping’s Biblical Calendar of History is wrong, the world is about 6000 years old according to the Bible Only. Genesis 5 and 11 stand just as it reads. Mr Camping went outside the Bible and believed that secular and scientific evidence would not allow for a 6000 years old earth, so he came up with another complex scheme, which is NOT Biblical. He proof for this is the 430 years in Egypt, that each “calendar patriarch” was born the year the other died. But in Genesis 46, Kohath was among those who entered Egypt, and could not have been born the year his patriarch died in Egypt. Genesis 5 and 11 is very clear, and the world is about 6000 years old.

    We are not in the tribulation period yet and it is not the end of the “Church Age”.
    As long as their are Christians in the world, we are to worship in accordance with the Bible with elders and deacons. We are not to sit home by ourselves and listen to family radio. This is what the Devil wants. Christians to be useless, and isolated.

    Mr Camping for 40 years taught the Biblical teach of Judgement Day and Eternal punishment faithfully. But as of November 2007, he started teaching the heresy of Annihilation, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cults. This is not new revelation that God is giving him in the last days. This is God allowing him to be blinded by Satan. One of the most simple and clear teachings in the Bible, is that there is a Judgement Day, and everyone will answer to God for their actions, and be punished.

    Mr Camping is very smart, and knowledgable about the Bible, and speaks with authority. It is easy to trust him for what he teaches. I used to do this. I was saved through Family Radio and Mr Camping’s teachings. However Mr Camping has now strayed from the word of God.

    Is Mr Camping now 100% sure the world will end in 2011? When the world does not end, will you admit he is a false prophet, and may be wrong about othe teachings also?

    All we have to do is wait, and you will find out that the world will not end, and you have been deceived.

    God Bless You and Open your Eyes,
    Jim B
    Feel free to email,
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  24. Augustine Says:

    Jim,

    Thanks for offering comments that I know you believe are helpful, but are actually very destructive. I can’t accept your suggestions for the following reasons.

    You continue to describe “1994?” as a failed prediction, but the more you say it, the more the falsehood is magnified as I explained in my previous post. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it any more true, although in our sinful society, it usually prevails. Yes, Camping said he was 99.9 percent sure. Was that a mathematical statistic, or a figure of speech? Have you ever said you were “certain” you left your keys somewhere, but then found that you left them somewhere else? How can that be if you said you were certain (which is more than 99.9%)? Does that mean you cannot be trusted…or was it just an emotional figure of speech instead? Whenever a lie is told to advance an argument, I know not to be deceived, as Christ called such people children of the father of lies, the devil.

    You state emphatically the world will not end in 2011, but at the same time you say no one knows when it will end. So how do you know it won’t end in 2011? Has God given you assurance of when He will not return? It sounds more like resisting God. To resist the glorious coming of God’s Kingdom, especially with this kind of double-speak, is another huge warning sign for me. The one most afraid of His coming is the devil and his demons, as seen when one of the demons panicked upon seeing Christ and asked if He had come to destroy them “before the time”. Apparently, even Satan knows something of the timing of the end.

    You mentioned that the Bible says no one knows the day or the hour. Why do you assume that this denotes a time reference? To “know” also means to experience. When He told the apostles that it was not for them “to know” of that day, the context suggests it meant they are not to experience it, which they weren’t. They were asking when it was going to be so they could watch for it. The phrase “of that day and hour no one knows” could very well mean no one has ever experienced such an event, and no one can even imagine what it will be like. The Bible also says “there is none righteous”. Does that mean none can become righteous? No. We know it means no one is righteous of themselves unless God intervenes. In the same way, no one knows the timing of the end by themselves unless God intervenes and reveals it. Either way, you are choosing a very narrow view of those verses and you are not hearing the way God speaks to us through His Word.

    I take issue to being characterized as a “follower” of Camping or “trusting” in Camping. Since when is finding fellowship in God’s Word with a fellow believer “following” them? This is just another way of trying to discredit the message via the messenger, and to assume a guilt by association viewpoint. I suppose if I believe what you just said, I can be criticized by someone else of being a follower of JimB. To use that argument and another show of denial that God is opening the understanding of people all over the world…not that those people are following Camping. He happens to be the one with a worldwide broadcasting radio network.

    Lastly, critics keep asking what will happen when the date passes and nothing happens. Obviously, that’s not the important question because under those circumstances life continues. The question is what will you say if you witness the rapture of believers in 2011, and you are not taken? I understand many will be so bewildered upon being left behind, so certain that they were going, will appeal to Christ, and we all know what He will say; “I never knew you, depart from me…”

    I will not tell you in kind to open your eyes because only God can open anyone’s spiritual eyes and ears to true understanding. You will be in my prayers, along with many. We know only God’s elect will inherit the Kingdom, so I pray, may He show us all mercy.

  25. JimB Says:

    Augustine,
    I used to think like you and was convinced MR Camping had the true gospel, and everything else was false. The Churches have not watered down the gospel, Mr Camping has watered down the gospel, and reduced what Christ has done on the Cross for us. Mr Camping does not believe in Judgement Day or Hell anymore. These are very clear basic teachings in the Bible. If someone can not see these teachings, then your authority is man, and not the Bible. Your final authority is Mr Camping, and mine is the Bible, so we will never come to agreement. I told many people over the years this same thing that they are following man. And after many years, they have contacted me and agreed with me.
    Here is what will happen in a few years, the world will not end in 2011, and Mr Camping will pass on, and maybe even Family Radio will be broken up. Many dissalusioned followers of Mr Camping will either fosake God all together, or take many years to be deprogrammed and come to the truth. I have been where you are now, and no one could convince me otherwise, so I know how you think. So remember in a few years, if you need someone to talk to, please email me.
    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  26. Augustine Says:

    See, Jim, you say you used to think like me. But you have already stated that you “followed” Camping. And you joined some kind of separatist commune to await for Christ to return in 1994. The idea of joining a separatist commune to me is being rebellious and disobedient toward God, and just irresponsible, ridiculous, and immature behavior. So how you can compare my thinking with yours is beyond me. We obviously have never had anything in common when it comes to faith. I don’t “follow” Camping anymore than I “follow” anyone I agree with on any issue. I happen to agree with Camping over what God says. I don’t listen to Camping to find out what God is saying. I find that in the Bible and only as much as God is merciful enough to reveal.

    I’m sorry the consequence of your past behavior is a bitterness that has hardened your heart, but your issue is with God. Be warned. That is all I can do.

  27. JimB Says:

    I have made mistakes in the past. I was saved through Family Radio and Mr Camping, and have a lot of respect for what he has done over the years. I got involved with a very good Bible Study group that focused around Mr Camping’s teachings. Gradually it got worse, and was hard to detect. God opened my eyes before the group left to wait for the end of the world. I have been hurt and have some bitterness. I know your situation is not exactly like mine. I am doing my best to use my bad past experience to help others, though I may not be perfect in doing this. Do not focus on what I have personally done in the past, but please go over the verses that were brought up here. There is no way around the fact that there is a resurrection of unbelievers, a Judgement Day, and eternal punishment for sins, for the Devil and unbelievers. Mr Camping’s new doctrine of Annihilation since November 2007 is his worst doctrine yet. I do not wish to go back and forth with you anymore and get involved with personal attacks, I have been involved with this before in other sites. So let us both pray for wisdom, and see what happens.
    God Bless everyone who is dealing with these serious issues,
    Jim B.

  28. Augustine Says:

    Jim,

    I think you have offered a wise and reasonable approach for all of us to take. And I am glad you are no longer involved with the people who led many astray. We do have to be careful not to follow the doctrines of men. Obiously, those people invented the doctrine of separation for themselves. I have traveled the world and the country, and have been deep in the workings of churches. From church corporate headquarters on down, they are concerned only with the doctrines of men, and treat the Bible as nothing more than a book of marketing suggestions, although they will profess otherwise for obvious reasons. It does not matter how faithful a church leader is. He puts the rules of his church, the doctrines of men, before God’s. It is impossible to worship both God and Mammon.

  29. Jim B. Says:

    It is true that many if not most churches are as described above, but NOT ALL churches are like this. To make a blanket statement that every last gathering together of believers in the world that call themselves a church is under the rule of Satan is a very dangerous statement. Out of all of those billions of people in the millions of churches in the world, if there exists one believer that is filled with the Holy Spirit, you are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit by saying they are unsaved under the rule of Satan. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is what the Pharisees did against Jesus, and Jesus said those who do this are in big trouble.

    Mark 3:22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebub,” and, “By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.”
    23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27 No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house.
    28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

    Notice also it says eternal condemnation, NOT Annihilation like Harold Camping now teaches like the Jehovah’s Witnesses also teach.

    It is very serious in God’s eyes to make global statements that every single church and christian organization outside of Family Radio is of Satan and apostate. This is the definition of a cult, believing one strict set of doctrines (heresies) are the only way to get to Heaven. The Gospel is simple, if someone has Christ as their Saviour, and is filled with the Holy Spirit, then they are saved.

    2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

    Please do not put up with the complex heresies of Harold Egbert Camping of Family Radio. He is a cult leader that will confuse you and put you in fear of your salvation, and you will think that mental knowledge of the Bible is the road to Salvation, and not simply trusting in Christ.

    God Bless,
    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  30. Carlos M. Says:

    Hey Jim B!
    I appreciate your input in this topic. I also had been bewitched by the gentleman Camping. I thank God though, that by his mercy he snatched me out of that cult! The 2011 date did it for me man. I said ENOUGH! And now he comes with this Jehova witness heresy of annihilation? It’s almost TOO obvious that this man has been given over to his own falsehood!
    I would like you to please share some verses with me so I can show my brother who is neck deep in the teachings of Harold Camping. Perhaps show me where his calendar is not biblical and even off. My brother is unfortunately even beginning to sound like Harold with that monotone voice saying, “Is the Bible YOUR authority or what you’ve been taught by the chuirches?” When I show him the verses you’ve presented about eternal torment etc. he always has some rebuttals which he grabs from the mind of Harold Camping.
    Any advice? We currently hold a fellowship on Sundays in my mom’s house and I can feel the friction in the air when we bring up topics such as “watching and being prepared for the coming of our Lord,” or “hell.” Thx!
    GBU
    Carlos M
    carlitos07109@aol.com

  31. Jim B. Says:

    Carlos and all,
    Please visit the Depart Out Website at http://www.departout.com, me and others have posted a lot of good information there about a lot of subjects on Harold Camping.

    Hopefully after 2011 passes and Mr Camping is taken from this earth, of all of these heresies will go away. I am praying that Family Radio can be reformed in the future into a Biblical Christian ministry.

    Feel free to email me with any further questions or comments.
    Thanks,
    Jim B.
    jimbbbbb@gmail.com

  32. Doug Says:

    You all have written an awful lot here and this is just one of many web sites to do likewise, I can’t bring myself to read everything to find the answer to my question. So forgive me if it was answered please and re answer in that case? My question is simply this: Can anyone here point me to a bonifide church that actually preaches #1 That The Scriptures ALONE are God’s revelation to mankind today, excluding any other supposed revalation such as so called “tongues” dreams or visions, miracles other than that of salvation which can not truly be seen by anyone other than the person saved anyway and #2 The total infallibility of Scripture (specifically the sixty six books that were for instance the same translated into English for example for that most printed edition known as The KJV (please I am NOT suggesting in the premise that ANY translation is innerrant, only that texts used in that translation that is only copies of the Scriptures in thier original autographs are innerrant. (Nor do I at all wish a rehash the inclusion of the apocrypha in the first copies of the 1611 edition #3 The total depravity of man, specifically meaning that it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANY person to a single thing to effect, aid or assist in his or her OR anyone Else’s salvation. Meaning specifically that ultimately the salvation of ANY person has nothing to do with an individual’s merits but instead is altogether dependent on God’s p reselection of them BEFORE they were created to be one of His “elect” Also the doctrine can not include anything that even sounds like the following “God foresaw the ones that would a. want to be saved b.would accept Christ c.anything else at all remarkable compared to all the ones not being saved etc etc In other words I am trying to build a
    barrier here for smart alecs who would show off their knowledge or to any lawyer types that just want to find some loophole to “win” ..whatever they think they would win …rather than for example to admit they don’t know of any such church. Because having listened carefully to HC, he is emphatically stating that no such bonifide church that actually exist and teach these things exists today I’m inclined to add that they would also be willing to be corrected by Scripture but really that goes hand in hand with trusting the Scriptures to be inerrant. Why do I search this out? Because I personally have never found such a church though I searched diligently for a church home for my family. Oh I found churches with a dusty statement of beliefs still on record, that is literally in disuse on the shelves that sounded very close to Scriptural, but in every case the congregation and more specifically the pastors no longer adhered to said doctrines AT ALL. So if Harold really does have THIS right, then THAT is AMAZING all itself! I mean the infallibility of Scripture and God’s sovereigh Grace are easily spotted in the Bible even by laymen, how can it possibly be that no churches fully endorse these?? Unless he is right! Without even the mind to follow all his Bible reasoning and math proofs, I am inclined to believe it based on my own two eyes and what they have personally seen in the churches … show me he is wrong? Give me the name(s) and contact info of such church’es and I will try to investigate if they truly qualify and make a liar out of HC! Funny I never hear ANYONE calling in and disputing it even!

  33. tod Says:

    OK user’s help me out here SO the date is wrong?

    may 21 2011 is wrong?

  34. Augustine Says:

    tod,

    The date of May 21, 2011 is most likely correct.

  35. JimB Says:

    The dates in 2011 are wrong like Mr Camping was wrong in 1994. We are to be ready to die, or for Christ to return at any time and not worry about when the exact date is. Mr Camping is a dangerous cult leader, and false prophet, and false teacher who teaches the heresy of annihilation like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Stop listening to him and find some grounded Christians to fellowship with.

    Mark 13:33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.

    Let me know if I can help with anything else, and feel free to email me.

    God Bless,
    Jim

  36. Augustine Says:

    If you listen to the churches who want to stay in corporate business, they will tell you not to “worry” about the end. Their motivations are money, job security, and popularity. But if you listen to God, who speaks to us only through His Word, He commands us to to be concerned about the timing of the end, and tells us that if we are faithful to search His Word, we can and will know the timing of His coming. He also tells us the world of corporate churches is under condemnation. Their reaction to this message is most telling. Trust God, not man.

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